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easyeverett


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WTF was the original question?


Hey CD and WryWriter. Since I joined this site in 2005, and was tired tonight of scanning Med Journals and Political Analysis, I figured I would read a few excerpts from the various options in the Community Forum. I was not even aware they had a Religion section though I have been prayed for countless times on FS, after a believer reads one of my also countless poems touching on Religion and more specifically, Myths and Mythologies around the world. My major at University was Asian Studies with a minor in Philosophy. Your Battle of Numerical Prophets, I admit, made my option tonight the most enjoyable part of my work and pleasure. To utilize religious or philosophical texts to prove a deductive and didactic truth would unfortunately, at least at Stanford, cause the Professors I had in my major and minor exhibit total apoplexy. The problem All faiths have, but especially those of Christian origins, is they all know a 'myth' when they see it because it goes by any other name than their own myth has adopted. I have had many of my dialectic poetics with subjects attaching Myth and Mythology in a negative light due to its effect upon economic, social, cultural and political beliefs and policies. And score high marks for supporting the reviewers negative views on same by something like: "That is why I am a follower of Jesus who is LORD" and get a few number:number quotes with the usual biblical moniker attached. When I occasional correct the record by responding that Judeo/Christian faith is also faith in just another, tough quite popular Myth. Many times when I see bad government or Judicial and cultural policies meld into bad law, substantiated by, yes, belief in a particular mythology or "religious belief" then it not only looses to modern Socratic proofs, it looses to its own divined (by someone or some book touting the untoutable) truth which couldn't pass a pre-freshmen intro course to beginning law or logistic probabilities. Anyway, no one will read this, but no one reads much of my poetry either so, I am a proud and consistent Trumpian Loser with a low IQ. LOL Thanks a lot scribes, I enjoyed your forum teat to teat. easyeverett


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RE: WTF was the original question?

Well, I read your post, and unsurprisingly, didn't find much to disagree with. I do prefer if someone wants to quote things at me to show me what a fool I am, they do it from books that don't have numbered paragraphs -- that tactic never works.

Welcome to the madhouse, hope you stay around to contribute from time to time.

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Hey CD. I think you are my brother from another mother. I had to read your smart and logically controlled response two times to make sure I hadn't gone and met up again with my old Jack Daniels self and just forgot and during all my relapsing fun, decided to add my (or in this case your) two sense. Glad you let me know I'm still 25 yrs dry and just as grumpy as I was two hours dry all those years ago. The only strange thing is your initial debate buddy has muted me on my second post in 14 years in the forum. Good fun CD. tom

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Hey CD. I think you are my brother from another mother. I had to read your smart and logically controlled response two times to make sure I hadn't gone and met up again with my old Jack Daniels self and just forgot and during all my relapsing fun, decided to add my (or in this case your) two sense. Glad you let me know I'm still 25 yrs dry and just as grumpy as I was two hours dry all those years ago. The only strange thing is your initial debate buddy has muted me on my second post in 14 years in the forum. Good fun CD. tom


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Tom, welcome. I doubt very seriously your IQ is a low as you proclaim. Your articulate and well reasoned voice speaks volumes on both forums. I meant to welcome you on the political forum until the Trumpeteer joined in with his unusual and predictable arrogance.

Truthfully, Craig, Steve, Bill, Gloria as well as Victoria are extremely well read and voiced here and I strive to keep up. Now you come along. I have no alternative than to sharpen my skills for articulate comments.

If memory serves me well Tom, aren?t you a Viet Nam Veteran ?

I have to say, though I have stopped writing poems for this site and reviewing, your works have always amazed and yes, humbly I say.. intimidates me!

Anyway, all I can say is I couldn?t agree more, but with that being said, I do know many who follow Christ who have a deeper and clearer understanding of their faith of which I respect immensely, simply because they do not pound others over the head with over the top religiosity and judgements. Victoria is a perfect example of tact and deliver. Very respectful of others paradigms.

What a new refreshing voice. Hope you stay around. As you know, it often becomes a boxing ring. Lol

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RE: WTF was the original question?
Now you've piqued my curiosity, Tom. I wonder how many "block" lists I'm currently on at the moment. Is there a prize for the winner (the one appearing on most lists)? Is there a way to tell how many times we have been granted that honour? My own list currently stands at zero. I've found a person can become invisible to me quite effectively without the need for a button.


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Well, I can tell you Craig, I?m on a few, though I know you directed this question at Tom.

I never quite understood the block method, what purpose does it truly serve. I am sure those who block you, you are probably not a big fan of theirs also, so reviewing or reading their work wouldn?t be on your priority list, now would it.

Although I do understand drive by crass unhelpful and revenge reviews but that?s another discussion.

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Though I am well educated, scholastically, holding 3 degrees, and having taught school. My feeling's concerning the spirituality of my very being, has nothing to do with anything I've been taught. it's something that is felt, accepted, and appreciated.

Yes, I am a Christian, and yet I have no problem with those of you that choose not to become involved, in an emotional sense, with what some of us call Christianity.. that very word, is celebrated differently with so many.

I have chosen the path I wish to follow, without feeling the need to condemn any others. There are no perfect people in this world, None, and so each of us can only do what allows us to respect the rights of others to make their own choices...and to make our own.

The God I serve is a higher form of life, and not one with the physical form or voice of any human, no matter their station in life, or educational standing.

So one has to be open to the idea that there truly is a God, in spirit and in truth, to even begin to accept that possibility...Religious belief, is a deeply personal feeling, and is not a mythical adventure.

It's always interesting to read the thoughts of other's when it comes to Religion, but in the end, I'd much rather enjoy the comfort that I receive from the study of Biblical scripture...and it has never been my intention to question those that have decided for themselves the path they wish to follow.

God's word, the Bible, has been studied, both intellectually and spiritually, and there are many that eventually make a choice...I've chosen the path that has satisfied my personal spiritual needs, realizing that often I will stand alone


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Victoria,

You are absolutely correct when you say that one has to be open to accepting certain ideas (such as the existence of a supreme being) to accept the path that you and others have chosen. And yet, it's a fact that there are those who once would have been open to receiving such ideas... who in fact, did at one time accept them, but have since decided based on their own observations and experiences they no longer are able to lend support to such notions.

Everyone, by definition, rejects every belief but their own. (Note: If someone holds all world views are equally valid, then that is their view, which excludes contrary ones. That is something of a paradox. I'm not suggesting all views are equally valid or correct, but that each individual has a right to believe according to their conscience). The only situation that bothers me is when anyone, regardless of their religious views or lack of them, seeks to have their views to be imposed on others by law.

Apart from that, we should all feel free to stand up and acknowledge what we believe, and treat with the respect to which they are entitled those who disagree.

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Not to bring old Greeks into a modernity they might find devolved, but all three of the great trend setters of Greece, Aristotle, Socrates and Plato believed the highest form of intellectual pursuit that allowed the greatest ability to teach universal 'truths' wasn't as would seem logical, the pursuit of philosophy or politics, it was the intrinsic, creative potential poetry offered the student and teacher alike to arrive at consensus. That is why I think the better challenge to a position proffered by another in an accepted
form familiar to all, like essays, letters, written pronouncements, and even extensive, critical analytic dissertations, is to use the same or close to the same as counter challenge instead of the less mentally intrusive diatribe of 'talking points by the numbers' which has become the lazy and combative form used by most of those involved with trying to sway public and private opinion. Ezra Pound, who was considered the greatest critical poetic mind of his generation (he edited Eliot's "Wasteland" by cutting over half of the original manuscript. The "Wasteland" is still considered among the finest works of poetic genius written in the twentieth century. Eliot, in his Essays on Poetics, stated Pound was co-creator of that masterpiece and inferred that his Pounds name should have taken top billing on the publish collection. He also felt, as did the artists of Athens, that one could never achieve greatness and veracity as a poet until he or she had attained greatness as a philosopher with all of the advantageous tools that ethereal pursuit gave the poet. easy

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Craig,

I've said it before, but if anyone, just a single human being, became interested enough to consider further study of the word of God..some of the things posted right here on this site would certainly discourage their effort to do that...That's the reason I continually separate myself from so much that is posted here by particular posters

People have the right to make their own decisions, and the way some posters try to force their ideals, thoughts, and beliefs on other's, just get's on my last nerve, especially when in the next sentence they prove the kind of person they really are.

That's not judging anyone, it's just my point of view...lol

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